It would be worth it to stay patient and wait a year for the upgraded 170 hp Abarth.
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I'm going to wait for the Abarth version too. Just wondering what the price will be. Based on prices from the Abarth UK, I'm guessing $23,000 to $25,000. I'm hoping it's not more than 25 grand.
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I think you're in the right ball park. Wish it would be less expensive, though.
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I would guess $21,500 to match their pricing cadence.
$15,500 - Pop $17,500 - Sport $19,500 - Lounge $21,500 - Abarth Seems like most of its competition is right around $24k. Golf GTI, Cobalt SS, Cooper S. I would expect the Abarth to be cheaper. |
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Production numbers from last week (1/31 to 2/5): 694
Year to date total: 2,121 |
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$21,500 would be a nice starting price for the Abarth. The Mini Cooper S starts at $23,700, but when you start adding their packages it adds up. The Sport package is an extra $1,250. If the U.S. version of the Abarth come with the 170hp engine, I'm hoping Fiat/Chrysler includes the suspension and wheels from the European SS.
The 170hp MultiAir engine from the Alfa Mito Quad. Verde has a 0-100 kph time of 7.7 seconds in a car that weighs 2759 lbs. In contrast the 500 Abarth SS does 0-100 kph in 7.4 seconds, but is almost 500 lbs. lighter. The engine in the Alfa also has 185 lbs-ft. of torque compared to the SS (170 lbs.-ft. of torque). I'm guessing that the U.S. spec Abarth with the Alfa engine would do 0-60 in the very low 7s. That would put it a lot closer to the speed of the Mini Cooper S. Hopefully, Fiat engineers are thinking about this too. Sorry if a rambled a bit, just thinking out loud. |
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Perhaps it's due to my experience waiting on an Aptera, but seeing the number of 500's built each week gives me the "warm fuzzies". REAL VEHICLES! Yay!
I understand the excitement and impatience of fellow fans, especially PE reservation holders. But the simple fact that 500's are rolling out of Toluca is reason for optimism. So thanks again Vlad. Peace, William
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Meh, those are probably 95% Dodge Journey's. LOL
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Unless I missed something, Vlad said in the OP that the numbers are for "Fiat 500s built at the Mexico plant".
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thanks Vlad, these hard numbers are really helping us with Fiat 500 Deprivation Syndrome :) Seriously, they really help. We know the cars are going...somewhere, even if we can't see them or test drive them yet. Production does seem to be ramping up each weeek too. Anyone have an idea of what the line is "supposed" to produce each week? I would guess about 800-1000 cars since their target sales numbers were quoted at times of 40,000 to 50,000 the first year.
My "local" dealer (40 miles away seemed a lot til I heard how far some of you have to drive) is at the LA training, back Monday and I was told I am now #1 on his customer call list, and he expects his teest car in next week as well. Unfortunately I amsure it will be a manual Sport, and I'm thinking of getting an auto Lounge. If I hear anything from the dealer I'll post right away. Thanks again Vlad!
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Nice....one concern...where are all those 500s going?
I really like that Fiat is going "no hassle" sales like Saturn. The down side is, well Fiat is marketing the 500 as "500,000 variations...make it your way...no two alike"...so if there is no hassle pricing why would anybody buy a car off the floor? I would want to make it just the way I want, order it and then wait 6 weeks and pick up the car.... Yes there might be a few people who can't wait and will buy a car right off the lot, but it seems the 500 is mostly about, get the car You want. Price isn't the issue as the price is the price...no haggling...no discount for car on lot (except maybe one that is the test drive model). Gavin |
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Well that was pretty much the way it went with the MINI Cooper introduction in 2002 when I bought my MINI. Lots of choices and sold at sticker (in many cases sticker + "market adjustment" grrr). Back then it was up to a 6 month wait for custom configuration. So the dealers sold everything they got in immediately to customers who just couldn't stand the wait. The way my dealer worked it was the customer put in an order for a custom configuration and then they were put on a waiting list as well. When cars came it that were either dealer-ordered or declined by the customer who ordered it, they would call the wait list and ask the next customer on the list if they would be interested in taking that available car. If they did, then their oringinal order stayed on the books and became an available car to future customers when it finally came in. It was quite a while before the lead time got down to around 8 weeks and it was a long time before I saw any cars on the lot that were for sale. So much will depend on the demand for the 500's and the factory's production as well as whether the dealers can order for inventory ( MINI dealers could not do that at first-they needed a real customer). If they load up the lots with inventory, folks may have enough choice to not bother to custom order. Otherwise, dealers are going to be stuck with cars....and the discounts may follow.
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Production numbers from last week (2/7 to 2/12): 298
Year to date total: 1,438 I'm beginning to question these numbers... as the year to date total went down from last week. I guess that is why the disclaimer says "Automotive News estimate". So take it for what it is worth! |
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I received info from Chrysler that says 724 Fiat 500 Sedans were manufactured in December 2010. How does that compare to your source? The time frame looks like Dec 10 thru Jan 10.
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FWIW, the NYTimes reported that "the first, 1,500-unit shipment of 500s has already left its assembly plant in Toluca, Mexico." (17 Feb Wheels blog)
So your numbers may be good. |
Well, Automotive News is where all the autojournos get their info, after all! :P
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Production numbers from last week (2/14 to 2/19): 188
Year to date total: 1,629 |
Production numbers from last week (2/21 to 2/26): 488
Year to date total: 2,117 |
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